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# Community Building & Ladder Session
_Original Title: “Building community effectiveness (Contributor ladder, Code of Conduct & Committee)”_
* Session Area: Community
* Topic Facilitator(s): Sarah Navatony
* Note-taker(s) (Collaborating on this doc):
* Rob Hirschfeld @zehicle
* Jess Frazzelle
* Person responsible for converting to Markdown & uploading to Github: Rob Hirschfeld @zehicle
## Session Notes
Classes of Communities being discussed:
* Developer / User - using the API
* Developer / Operator - running the Infrastructure / DevOps
* Developer / Contributor - writing the Kubernetes code, docs, any sort of non-technical contribution
Topics/Conversation Thread:
* Luke: How to get more people writing code in a sig, encourage new contributors to start contributing
* How sig leads can do a better job of encouraging contributors
* Defining contributions outside of code, people who plan face to faces, things that help build the community but are not necessarily limited to code
* Bob: contrib was declared dead, but if you are doing dev work in the community it is not clear where to put ideas out there for feedback
* Incubation bar is super high
* Things bigger than features, tools, etc
* Michael: talking about getting people involved without creating schedule risk
* There is a spreadsheet that people are using to track priorities of tasks
* Need to watch Shepherding bandwidth
* Sarah suggested that we need to make sure that reviewers are tagged as mentors also
* Helps people know who to ask for help, so they dont stall
* Kris: it helps to get people to self-identify peoples interests in contributing
* Michael: use SIG meetings for status and encourage people to connect outside of meetings
* Jess: Suggested making sure to bring people in with an open item
* It helps to make introductions at the start of the meeting
* Kris - Bob: Office hours? Alternate weeks for the SIG
* Michael: Make sure to create a safe space - admit mistakes to be more inclusive
* Luke: there are a lot of people who are listening but not taking on work
_Group discussed ways to get people to move into activity contributors_
* Sarah: hiring Community Manager role - first job will be to create a mentor pairing program
* Michael: challenge is that companies want their people to be counted as contributors.
* Discussion: this results in gamification and people not being able to participate
* Theres some organization learning
* We need to be aware of the conflicts
* Rob brought up that there are people entering the community who are not doing things that capture work thats passive or just using
* Bob described a similar issue w/ Scale where the value is creating data and running tests
* Contributor ladder needs to include people who are using / operating without making code or docs contributions. We want to capture their experience and welcome
* Jess - could even use twitter activity and collect survey results
* Rob - it can be a very good thing to have a large passive audience
* Sarah - as long as there is enough people doing contribution
* Rob suggested that we may want user/operator SIGs that act as onboarding and then direct people to more specific SIGs
## Conclusions
Key Takeaways / Analysis of Situation
* SIGs have a lot of passive participants. - **This may be OK**
* We discussed ways to get passive users more engaged including
* introductions at start of meetings
* mentor pairings for new
* asking them about area of interest
* Pairing people for out-of-meeting 1x1 based on time zones
* Keep SIG meeting as status and drive out-of-meeting action
* There is a problem when companies reward people only on contributions of specific types or projects
## Recommendations & Decisions Moving Forward (High-Level)
* Create a User SIG for onboarding new users and directing them into other SIGs. This would effectively be an ongoing 101
* Restart Cluster Ops SIG storytelling for operators and write them down
* SIGs to use off-weeks for office hours
## Specific Action Items (& Owners)
None Taken