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# Community Building & Ladder Session
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_Original Title: “Building community effectiveness (Contributor ladder, Code of Conduct & Committee)”_
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* Session Area: Community
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* Topic Facilitator(s): Sarah Navatony
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* Note-taker(s) (Collaborating on this doc):
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* Rob Hirschfeld @zehicle
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* Jess Frazzelle
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* Person responsible for converting to Markdown & uploading to Github: Rob Hirschfeld @zehicle
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## Session Notes
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Classes of Communities being discussed:
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* Developer / User - using the API
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* Developer / Operator - running the Infrastructure / DevOps
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* Developer / Contributor - writing the Kubernetes code, docs, any sort of non-technical contribution
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Topics/Conversation Thread:
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* Luke: How to get more people writing code in a sig, encourage new contributors to start contributing
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* How sig leads can do a better job of encouraging contributors
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* Defining contributions outside of code, people who plan face to faces, things that help build the community but are not necessarily limited to code
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* Bob: contrib was declared dead, but if you are doing dev work in the community it is not clear where to put ideas out there for feedback
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* Incubation bar is super high
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* Things bigger than features, tools, etc
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* Michael: talking about getting people involved without creating schedule risk
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* There is a spreadsheet that people are using to track priorities of tasks
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* Need to watch Shepherding bandwidth
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* Sarah suggested that we need to make sure that reviewers are tagged as mentors also
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* Helps people know who to ask for help, so they don’t stall
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* Kris: it helps to get people to self-identify people’s interests in contributing
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* Michael: use SIG meetings for status and encourage people to connect outside of meetings
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* Jess: Suggested making sure to bring people in with an open item
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* It helps to make introductions at the start of the meeting
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* Kris - Bob: Office hours? Alternate weeks for the SIG
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* Michael: Make sure to create a safe space - admit mistakes to be more inclusive
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* Luke: there are a lot of people who are listening but not taking on work
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_Group discussed ways to get people to move into activity contributors_
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* Sarah: hiring Community Manager role - first job will be to create a mentor pairing program
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* Michael: challenge is that companies want their people to be counted as contributors.
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* Discussion: this results in gamification and people not being able to participate
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* There’s some organization learning
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* We need to be aware of the conflicts
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* Rob brought up that there are people entering the community who are not doing things that capture work that’s passive or just using
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* Bob described a similar issue w/ Scale where the value is creating data and running tests
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* Contributor ladder needs to include people who are using / operating without making code or docs contributions. We want to capture their experience and welcome
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* Jess - could even use twitter activity and collect survey results
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* Rob - it can be a very good thing to have a large passive audience
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* Sarah - as long as there is enough people doing contribution
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* Rob suggested that we may want user/operator SIGs that act as onboarding and then direct people to more specific SIGs
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## Conclusions
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Key Takeaways / Analysis of Situation
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* SIGs have a lot of passive participants. - **This may be OK**
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* We discussed ways to get passive users more engaged including
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* introductions at start of meetings
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* mentor pairings for new
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* asking them about area of interest
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* Pairing people for out-of-meeting 1x1 based on time zones
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* Keep SIG meeting as status and drive out-of-meeting action
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* There is a problem when companies reward people only on contributions of specific types or projects
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## Recommendations & Decisions Moving Forward (High-Level)
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* Create a User SIG for onboarding new users and directing them into other SIGs. This would effectively be an ongoing 101
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* Restart Cluster Ops SIG storytelling for operators and write them down
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* SIGs to use off-weeks for office hours
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## Specific Action Items (& Owners)
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None Taken
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